Comments on: Anti-Yamli http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=anti-yamli our human race is a disgrace ♀ Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:00:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1423 Anonymous Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:32:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1423 What's up with the Onkosh whiners flaming every post about Yamli ? Onkosh kids get a life, and develop a better product :) What’s up with the Onkosh whiners flaming every post about Yamli ? Onkosh kids get a life, and develop a better product :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1291 Anonymous Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:38:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1291 http://search.eiktub.com offers an alternative way to google search for arabic words and phrases. This is more of a transliteration service in the sense that it has fixed one-to-one rules to go back from English to Arabic.<br/><br/>Also interesting is their Arabic text editor that allows writing fully vowelized Arabic with an English keyboard in a very accurate and efficient way. http://search.eiktub.com offers an alternative way to google search for arabic words and phrases. This is more of a transliteration service in the sense that it has fixed one-to-one rules to go back from English to Arabic.

Also interesting is their Arabic text editor that allows writing fully vowelized Arabic with an English keyboard in a very accurate and efficient way.

]]> By: nightS http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1262 nightS Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:04:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1262 اففف<br/>شو هالتحدي الصعب؟؟<br/>أسرعلي أكتب هون دغري...بلا ما أكتب بيملي وأرجع إسحب التعليق لهون<br/><br/>ما عم بفهم وين الصعوبة أو العيب بتعلّم الطباعة بالعربي؟؟<br/>ليه ماعندك مشكلة تتعلم الطباعة بالأجنبي؟؟ <br/><br/>سؤال برهوم...ليه التعليق اللي أنت كتبته ما أستخدمت فيه يملي؟؟ اففف
شو هالتحدي الصعب؟؟
أسرعلي أكتب هون دغري…بلا ما أكتب بيملي وأرجع إسحب التعليق لهون

ما عم بفهم وين الصعوبة أو العيب بتعلّم الطباعة بالعربي؟؟
ليه ماعندك مشكلة تتعلم الطباعة بالأجنبي؟؟

سؤال برهوم…ليه التعليق اللي أنت كتبته ما أستخدمت فيه يملي؟؟

]]> By: Barhoun http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1261 Barhoun Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:24:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1261 For the Yamli doubters. Its is a matter of practicality. Why learn two keyboard layouts. Do you want to have 2 keyboards at home or 2 OCS for that matter. Yamli extends the PC investments you have already made.<br/><br/>If you continue to doubt, try this. Respond to this post in Arabic using Arabic text. Let me know how you do it. Then try Yamli. It speaks for itself. For the Yamli doubters. Its is a matter of practicality. Why learn two keyboard layouts. Do you want to have 2 keyboards at home or 2 OCS for that matter. Yamli extends the PC investments you have already made.

If you continue to doubt, try this. Respond to this post in Arabic using Arabic text. Let me know how you do it. Then try Yamli. It speaks for itself.

]]> By: nightS http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1209 nightS Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:02:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1209 onkosh?:) that's an original name lol!!<br/><br/>well it seems that yamli is an enhanced version of onkosh?? added an editor or something?? and hey the interface isn't that bad let's be fair here!!!<br/><br/>Well, honestly i'm waiting to see what's coming next from Yamli!!! i hope it will be good enough!!!<br/><br/>meanwhile..stick to arabic keyboards guys :D:P (couldn't help it) onkosh?:) that’s an original name lol!!

well it seems that yamli is an enhanced version of onkosh?? added an editor or something?? and hey the interface isn’t that bad let’s be fair here!!!

Well, honestly i’m waiting to see what’s coming next from Yamli!!! i hope it will be good enough!!!

meanwhile..stick to arabic keyboards guys :D :P (couldn’t help it)

]]> By: Anonymous http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1208 Anonymous Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:24:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1208 Transliteration is not a new concept. The chinese have pinyin and there also exist other arabic transliteration systems : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Arabic<br/><br/>However what I really like about Yamli is the way it has been presented and also the smartness. The founders also claim its adaptive which in my opinion has a lot of value in it.<br/><br/>Onkosh's system is not bad however its UI is very limiting and it only works on popular words, which to me makes it a dead end ...<br/><br/>I am waiting to see what's coming next from the Yamli guys... Hopefully they ll manage to impress me the same way they impressed me the first time... Transliteration is not a new concept. The chinese have pinyin and there also exist other arabic transliteration systems : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Arabic

However what I really like about Yamli is the way it has been presented and also the smartness. The founders also claim its adaptive which in my opinion has a lot of value in it.

Onkosh’s system is not bad however its UI is very limiting and it only works on popular words, which to me makes it a dead end …

I am waiting to see what’s coming next from the Yamli guys… Hopefully they ll manage to impress me the same way they impressed me the first time…

]]> By: Anonymous http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1206 Anonymous Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:27:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1206 This is not even an original idea. If you go to Onkosh (http://www.onkosh.com/), the idea has been implemented within a whole system that is pro-Arabic. The transiltation is not a bad idea, but shouldnt be the 'only' idea ... I am so advocate for Onkosh because of the misc. solutions there! Cheers. This is not even an original idea. If you go to Onkosh (http://www.onkosh.com/), the idea has been implemented within a whole system that is pro-Arabic. The transiltation is not a bad idea, but shouldnt be the ‘only’ idea … I am so advocate for Onkosh because of the misc. solutions there! Cheers.

]]> By: nightS http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1195 nightS Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:44:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1195 dear libanaise...<br/>i'll say it again...<br/>how yamli was born "according to the FOUNDERS" is the "mission impossible" issue...they said that...and that actually was what provoked me!!<br/><br/>I didn't get what the Arabic keyboard failed to do...does the English keyboard teach the English alphabet?!?! what would you think of an internet tool that would transform english written in arabic letters to english in english letters?!? will it help people to learn the english alphabet efficiently? <br/><br/>I have to admit that my opinion isn't as aggressive as it was before....but i DO still believe that this isn't the solution!!! i didn't say i'm comfortable with arabic keyboards..i'm a slow arabic typer...but i prefer to practice a bit more rather than using yamli...<br/>no arabic keyboard? okay it's a good and FREE solution but you can as i said get arabic letters on the keyboard keys as my friend did and install the language on your OS et voila!!! dear libanaise…
i’ll say it again…
how yamli was born “according to the FOUNDERS” is the “mission impossible” issue…they said that…and that actually was what provoked me!!

I didn’t get what the Arabic keyboard failed to do…does the English keyboard teach the English alphabet?!?! what would you think of an internet tool that would transform english written in arabic letters to english in english letters?!? will it help people to learn the english alphabet efficiently?

I have to admit that my opinion isn’t as aggressive as it was before….but i DO still believe that this isn’t the solution!!! i didn’t say i’m comfortable with arabic keyboards..i’m a slow arabic typer…but i prefer to practice a bit more rather than using yamli…
no arabic keyboard? okay it’s a good and FREE solution but you can as i said get arabic letters on the keyboard keys as my friend did and install the language on your OS et voila!!!

]]> By: Libanaise http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1193 Libanaise Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:32:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1193 nightS, I would rather see Yamli as an “opportunity” vs. a handicap or “insult” if you look at it in a rational way. Nobody said that the Yamli tool was created because typing in Arabic is a “mission impossible” (like you stated) or to underestimate people’s ability to write Arabic. The tool was simply offered to make the process of typing Arabic “easier” and “more practical” in the online world. Many of us like to write in Arabic but do not have an Arabic keyboard, like myself, and therefore had to use English words instead to look for Arabic-language resources. With Yamli though, we now have the chance to express ourselves online in the Arabic language, using the standard English keyboard. <br/><br/>Perhaps you are more comfortable using an Arabic keyboard and we all respect that, but please remember that this is represents a “personal preference” that varies from a user to another and thus cannot be used to make a general extreme statement such as the tool being an “insult”. So let’s be a little more constructive in our criticism especially when the intent of tools like Yamli is clearly to facilitate online communication in Arabic, recognizing in turn the importance of the language and the need to spread it online in a practical and effective way. <br/><br/>Lastly, I’d like to mention that although the goal of Yamli is not to teach people written Arabic, some US-born Lebanese people who understand Arabic but don’t know how to write it, have found this tool really useful so far as they’d type in their name for example in English and the tool would automatically show them the Arabic equivalent of it, and in turn teaching them the Arabic alphabet, something that I believe an Arabic keyboard would have failed to do. Perhaps this very simple example highlights even more the extent to which the tool has been promoting the Arabic language vs. limiting its usage boundaries? I’ll leave you with that thought. nightS, I would rather see Yamli as an “opportunity” vs. a handicap or “insult” if you look at it in a rational way. Nobody said that the Yamli tool was created because typing in Arabic is a “mission impossible” (like you stated) or to underestimate people’s ability to write Arabic. The tool was simply offered to make the process of typing Arabic “easier” and “more practical” in the online world. Many of us like to write in Arabic but do not have an Arabic keyboard, like myself, and therefore had to use English words instead to look for Arabic-language resources. With Yamli though, we now have the chance to express ourselves online in the Arabic language, using the standard English keyboard.

Perhaps you are more comfortable using an Arabic keyboard and we all respect that, but please remember that this is represents a “personal preference” that varies from a user to another and thus cannot be used to make a general extreme statement such as the tool being an “insult”. So let’s be a little more constructive in our criticism especially when the intent of tools like Yamli is clearly to facilitate online communication in Arabic, recognizing in turn the importance of the language and the need to spread it online in a practical and effective way.

Lastly, I’d like to mention that although the goal of Yamli is not to teach people written Arabic, some US-born Lebanese people who understand Arabic but don’t know how to write it, have found this tool really useful so far as they’d type in their name for example in English and the tool would automatically show them the Arabic equivalent of it, and in turn teaching them the Arabic alphabet, something that I believe an Arabic keyboard would have failed to do. Perhaps this very simple example highlights even more the extent to which the tool has been promoting the Arabic language vs. limiting its usage boundaries? I’ll leave you with that thought.

]]> By: nightS http://layalk.net/2007/11/16/anti-yamli/comment-page-1/#comment-1190 nightS Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:14:00 +0000 http://layalk.net/?p=260#comment-1190 dear anonymous...is that you? :) Mr.Anonymous?? either ways you're always welcome :)<br/>i do see the positives in yamli and i've already apologized to abbes (first comment) because i missed the case of the absence of Arabic Keyboards!! but the founders didn't even mention it and said the Arabic keyboards are available! and that was it!<br/>I still do believe that the solution is to get accustomed to Arabic keyboards :D and as a lebanese i have to get a bit annoyed for having english letters replacing the arabic!!! but it doesn't seem that bad after all with the other cases :) thanks again for wasting your time on my post and blog :)<br/><br/><br/>Maurice...<br/>believe it or not your comment made me really smile! actually yes i'm angry and my opinion was a bit TOO aggressive (shhhh, PMS :P) it's just that i thought the solution yamli proposes for the problem they ONLY covered (the accustomed to english keyboard thing) isn't the solution! and i got provoked that's true!!<br/>but what's wrong with dedicating a little time to get accustomed to arabic keyboard? :$:$:$ bear with me please!!!<br/>i stated my objection on the basis of the same love you have to the arabic language so we're practically on the same side i guess!!<br/>and i know it takes more time...but i'm getting better now...i can't find a typing-tutor program for arabic keyboard but by practice i'm getting a bit faster!! eventually i'll be good enough!!<br/>thanks for stopping by!<br/><br/>poshlemon...<br/>thanks for understanding my point!! yes i'm getting better with practice...it's hard but i'm trying my best!!<br/>it's just the "problem statement" the founders used really got on my nerves...i hope they can change it :D<br/>because to think about it...it's not that bad considering the other cases!<br/><br/>by the way, i know a guy who sent his laptop to the company to get arabic letters on the keyboard keys...they used laser or something to crave them into each key...because he needed arabic on his keyboard!! i wonder if he knew before about yamli...i'll ask him and let you know :) dear anonymous…is that you? :) Mr.Anonymous?? either ways you’re always welcome :)
i do see the positives in yamli and i’ve already apologized to abbes (first comment) because i missed the case of the absence of Arabic Keyboards!! but the founders didn’t even mention it and said the Arabic keyboards are available! and that was it!
I still do believe that the solution is to get accustomed to Arabic keyboards :D and as a lebanese i have to get a bit annoyed for having english letters replacing the arabic!!! but it doesn’t seem that bad after all with the other cases :) thanks again for wasting your time on my post and blog :)

Maurice…
believe it or not your comment made me really smile! actually yes i’m angry and my opinion was a bit TOO aggressive (shhhh, PMS :P ) it’s just that i thought the solution yamli proposes for the problem they ONLY covered (the accustomed to english keyboard thing) isn’t the solution! and i got provoked that’s true!!
but what’s wrong with dedicating a little time to get accustomed to arabic keyboard? :$:$:$ bear with me please!!!
i stated my objection on the basis of the same love you have to the arabic language so we’re practically on the same side i guess!!
and i know it takes more time…but i’m getting better now…i can’t find a typing-tutor program for arabic keyboard but by practice i’m getting a bit faster!! eventually i’ll be good enough!!
thanks for stopping by!

poshlemon…
thanks for understanding my point!! yes i’m getting better with practice…it’s hard but i’m trying my best!!
it’s just the “problem statement” the founders used really got on my nerves…i hope they can change it :D
because to think about it…it’s not that bad considering the other cases!

by the way, i know a guy who sent his laptop to the company to get arabic letters on the keyboard keys…they used laser or something to crave them into each key…because he needed arabic on his keyboard!! i wonder if he knew before about yamli…i’ll ask him and let you know :)

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